Main > Female handlers weakening the breed?!? (107 replies)

by Ace952 on 17 March 2012 - 00:03

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by brynjulf on 16 March 2012 - 22:03
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It is my opinion ( notice I said opinion not fact or actuality) that GSD are being weaked because we no longer have the need for a super strong working dog.  True working homes are few and far between, breeders are breeding for more of a pet/home guardian market or they bred for themselves.  Alot of these purchasers have little or no dog experience and are ill equiped to handle a strong working animal. No choice really as in this day of I sue you you sue me, strong dogs are a liability not an asset.   In other countries this may not be the case but in North America we have to be aware of this when producing litters. Has zippo to do with female handlers.  We all know how I feel about Handler aggressive animals.  They should not be bred period.  Handler aggression does not mean a hard dog, it means the dog is a dink. German shepherds were bred to work WITH a handler.  To me this is a huge temperment fault.  In other breeds it doesnt bother me as much as in the GSD.


Excellent post, couldn't agree more.

by Jeff Oehlsen on 17 March 2012 - 01:03

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EGiI2sI_aeg

here you go, try and calm yourselves.

by Chaz Reinhold on 17 March 2012 - 02:03

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It's kinda like cooking. The best chefs in the world tend to be males. Most meals are cooked by women and as a whole, they are better than men. In my experience, I've seen more women give up that tough dog than men. Men think they can overcome. Maybe women are smarter. Like Q man said, most women are more patient and more often, that is the best approach. I just wish they'd be more patient with men. We just fricken invented fire. We are evolving. Cut us some slack.

by Jyl on 17 March 2012 - 02:03

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Here are 2 female handlers that have done well in SchH..

Michaela Knoche and Javir Talka Marda..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dOzLybN06U

Sharon Mehagiva and Sam Beit Haboxer (who I believe were the 2009 WUSV champs)..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AInZP1cChBc&feature=related

by Chaz Reinhold on 17 March 2012 - 02:03

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Don't forget claudia, vickie, Debbie, etc. But I don't think Jeff was talking about great handlers. I think Jeff was talking about something different. More like Cathy.

by Rik on 17 March 2012 - 02:03

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If you guys (gals) let Jeff ruffle your feathers then you will be stirred up all the time.

I do have to complement him on causing all this controversy and not one single curse word (or calling a dog a shi**er). The boy has stepped up his game.

Rik

by Slamdunc on 17 March 2012 - 02:03

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Rik,
Give him some time, he usually starts out slow, tests the water then reverts back to his usual self. 

A leopard can't change his spots.


by Jeff Oehlsen on 17 March 2012 - 03:03

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Thats right jim, you are still swimming in my wake. 

I don't think that women can handle strong dogs, they 9 the dogs jim)  don't listen to them. Most breeders here are women, and so, the decline of that kind of dog. The fact that so many are confused clearly shows that only ONE of you have ever seen what I am talking about.

My dog Esko passed  a leg on his MR1 with about 5 training sessions with the girls and my buddys Kevin and Drake. Obedience was done in a field after work, just me. He got a 185. Give me a decoy and a club, and I would have aced it.

How many can say that ? Don't worry Jim, you won't have to swim very hard, I will pull you along behind me.

By the way, it is my opinion based on experience. Never saw a female handler that could get those dogs to do anything, as they did not respect them. Considering this started in a different thread, maybe people think if they tell me I am wrong to have this opinion over and over and over and over and over, that somehow it will change my mind. Hmmmm. 

How about a video instead ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDhaqE9Wv8s&list=PLF234D37E34185BF8&feature=mh_lolz

A girl could work Buko. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFd3-bOmMyw

Minty loves his handler !



by Dobermannman on 17 March 2012 - 03:03

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"My dog Esko passed  a leg on his MR1 with about 5 training sessions with the girls and my buddys Kevin and Drake. Obedience was done in a field after work, just me. He got a 185. Give me a decoy and a club, and I would have aced it."

Jeff

Does that mean when/if you move back to Colorado, that your scores will improve? :-)

Thomas Barriano

by Jeff Oehlsen on 17 March 2012 - 04:03

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Yes Thomas, they will definately improve. 

by Slamdunc on 17 March 2012 - 04:03

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Jeff,
I watched your video of Buko, what is so special that a female handler couldn't get the same results or better?  That is the best video I have seen of Buko, he seems to be a decent dog.  I know female handlers that definitely could have improved his overall performance.  I really think he would have benefited from a female handler from the start.  He obviously didn't handle your pressure very well or your training methods.  I can't get past the video of him breaking the long down under gunfire and running away.  That video says a lot to me about the dog and your training methods, way more than the face attack video. 

by GSDPACK on 17 March 2012 - 04:03

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entertaining...

people who have never handled a dog are the champs here, women screw the breed and in the end we will all end up bitching no matter what way the breed will go.

good luck and cheers to the dog!


by ShelleyR on 17 March 2012 - 05:03

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Reading the topic heading of this thread, I cannot help thinking of Rene Lancaster and her poor, weak, oversensitive Don Dreidorfereck son Axel von Markfeld. 
ROTFLMAO

by BlackthornGSD on 17 March 2012 - 06:03

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I don't see how a dog failing to respect a female handler -- which I *have* seen -- has anything to do with that dog being hard or strong. I think it has more to do with something in the dog's upbringing and or the way his brain is wired. Again, the dog I knew who didn't respect women handlers wasn't a weak dog, but he sure wasn't the hardest dog I've ever seen.

by Jeff Oehlsen on 17 March 2012 - 07:03

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How did he produce ?

by BlackthornGSD on 17 March 2012 - 07:03

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He doesn't have a single progeny listed on PDB. I know he was bred a few times--but I guess they were unremarkable.

by Dobermannman on 17 March 2012 - 13:03

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"Yes Thomas, they will definately improve."

Good news, but more importantly will mine? :-)

I've got a new female Dobermann you'll like Arya
and a male GSD Gwrgenau you'll be impressed with (I think?)

Thomas Barriano

by Sunsilver on 17 March 2012 - 15:03

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I wouldn't expect a dog to respect an unfamiliar handler, male OR female!  That's contrary to the breed standard which says our breed is supposed to be aloof to strangers.

Respect is earned, and takes time.

by Jeff Oehlsen on 17 March 2012 - 16:03

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Quote: 
Here are 2 female handlers that have done well in SchH..

Michaela Knoche and Javir Talka Marda..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dOzLybN06U

Sharon Mehagiva and Sam Beit Haboxer (who I believe were the 2009 WUSV champs)..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AInZP1cChBc&feature=related

I don't remember saying that women couldn't do well. Are these dogs what people consider strong dogs ?

It looks like happy playtime to me.

by Bob McKown on 17 March 2012 - 19:03

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 Out of all the video,s posted here I really don,t see any thing that makes me say WOW thats a STRONG dog. There nice video,s in there respective competitions but to me there ALL bassed in Prey and High prey doenst mean strong dog. Not saying the dogs arent strong but in all honesty I don,t believe there is a sport that is designed around the strength of the breed or any breed for that matter.

A handler hard dog in my opinion doesn,t mean a strong dog either. I guess we will all breed and seek what we like (the heart wants what the heart wants) names and verbs and descriptions will be to our liking.


 
  

 

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